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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://blog.danesanders.com/2008/01/30/photographik-20-wedding-party/comment-page-1/#comment-23108</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip - I was accepted to Photographik today and am figuring it all out right now!  Just had to come here and say thank you!

Marcus, I think it would have been great if you had answered the questions here too -- so the rest of us could have seen the response.  I agree with Erik, transparency on the web is a great thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip - I was accepted to Photographik today and am figuring it all out right now!  Just had to come here and say thank you!</p>
<p>Marcus, I think it would have been great if you had answered the questions here too &#8212; so the rest of us could have seen the response.  I agree with Erik, transparency on the web is a great thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Higgins</title>
		<link>http://blog.danesanders.com/2008/01/30/photographik-20-wedding-party/comment-page-1/#comment-22680</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh wow - I TOTALLY got lost in IKEA one day.  I haven't been back.  My therapist says I'm not quite ready.  ha  just kidding.  I'll have to check out the sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow - I TOTALLY got lost in IKEA one day.  I haven&#8217;t been back.  My therapist says I&#8217;m not quite ready.  ha  just kidding.  I&#8217;ll have to check out the sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Costa</title>
		<link>http://blog.danesanders.com/2008/01/30/photographik-20-wedding-party/comment-page-1/#comment-22676</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow dude, wow.  That Paul Potts video you posted was epic.  I’m loving the inspiring stuff you’re consolidating here on your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow dude, wow.  That Paul Potts video you posted was epic.  I’m loving the inspiring stuff you’re consolidating here on your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Sark</title>
		<link>http://blog.danesanders.com/2008/01/30/photographik-20-wedding-party/comment-page-1/#comment-22668</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Sark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Eric,

I'll reply to you via e-mail, since it'll be more efficient.  I don't come back to Dane's blog to read comments that frequently.

Marcus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Eric,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll reply to you via e-mail, since it&#8217;ll be more efficient.  I don&#8217;t come back to Dane&#8217;s blog to read comments that frequently.</p>
<p>Marcus</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Dungan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Dungan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus,
I addressed you as Mark in my previous comment. My apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus,<br />
I addressed you as Mark in my previous comment. My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Dungan</title>
		<link>http://blog.danesanders.com/2008/01/30/photographik-20-wedding-party/comment-page-1/#comment-22665</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Dungan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Can you address my concern about other vendor types? What is WP's strategy for adding DJs, Florists, Caterers, etc.? 

Regarding your unique features:

2. If a bride knows the name of the photographer they want, I'm inclined to think they'll just use Google to find them. 

3. theKnot allows you to save vendors to a "notebook". It doesn't seem unique (other than the name). 

I don't want you to think I'm being completely negative. I like the design of your site very much. I just think you've entered an industry with some fairly large barriers to entry and a catch-22 to growth (brides wont come w/o vendors, and vendors wont come w/o brides). I just don't see anything that is "disruptive" to the big players.

Also, I never suggested putting 100% of your capital into adwords. I'm suggesting you at least have some type of marketing budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Can you address my concern about other vendor types? What is WP&#8217;s strategy for adding DJs, Florists, Caterers, etc.? </p>
<p>Regarding your unique features:</p>
<p>2. If a bride knows the name of the photographer they want, I&#8217;m inclined to think they&#8217;ll just use Google to find them. </p>
<p>3. theKnot allows you to save vendors to a &#8220;notebook&#8221;. It doesn&#8217;t seem unique (other than the name). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want you to think I&#8217;m being completely negative. I like the design of your site very much. I just think you&#8217;ve entered an industry with some fairly large barriers to entry and a catch-22 to growth (brides wont come w/o vendors, and vendors wont come w/o brides). I just don&#8217;t see anything that is &#8220;disruptive&#8221; to the big players.</p>
<p>Also, I never suggested putting 100% of your capital into adwords. I&#8217;m suggesting you at least have some type of marketing budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Sark</title>
		<link>http://blog.danesanders.com/2008/01/30/photographik-20-wedding-party/comment-page-1/#comment-22663</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Sark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised to see Wedding Party on your blog today, Dane.  Thanks for the kind words.  I like your IKEA analogy!  This is exactly one of the reasons why I set out to create Wedding Party.

Here are a few other unique features that we're proud of:
1.) first site to let you independently manage your listing
2.) first site to allow you to not only browse vendors, but search by business name or location (with location results ordered by proximity)
3.) first site to allow brides to put their favorite selections into a GoodieBagTM for future reference

We are taking a long-term approach at Wedding Party by investing in the tools and ideas that create enduring traffic and sustainable customer magnetism to the site.  Product development continues to be a high priority for us.

We are in the process of developing the very best site, which will create attraction of brides and grooms for years to come.  We structured our signup plans to be more long-term, and suitable for those looking to gain the long-term benefits.  We are certain this will be much more effective than quickly depleting all of our capital by 100% allocation on adwords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised to see Wedding Party on your blog today, Dane.  Thanks for the kind words.  I like your IKEA analogy!  This is exactly one of the reasons why I set out to create Wedding Party.</p>
<p>Here are a few other unique features that we&#8217;re proud of:<br />
1.) first site to let you independently manage your listing<br />
2.) first site to allow you to not only browse vendors, but search by business name or location (with location results ordered by proximity)<br />
3.) first site to allow brides to put their favorite selections into a GoodieBagTM for future reference</p>
<p>We are taking a long-term approach at Wedding Party by investing in the tools and ideas that create enduring traffic and sustainable customer magnetism to the site.  Product development continues to be a high priority for us.</p>
<p>We are in the process of developing the very best site, which will create attraction of brides and grooms for years to come.  We structured our signup plans to be more long-term, and suitable for those looking to gain the long-term benefits.  We are certain this will be much more effective than quickly depleting all of our capital by 100% allocation on adwords.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Dungan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Dungan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since you asked, I'll tell you what I think :)

I don't think either of the sites you mentioned offer anything new except some halfway decent styling. They both take old technology (web directory), an old business model (pay to be listed), and slap some nice CSS on it. 

Photographik to me is little more than WPJA for non-PJ photographers. You must apply (for a fee), be accepted by an approval body, then pay for a listing. I honestly want to know–what is new or novel there? 

Wedding Party–wasn't this directory hyped at WPPI '07 and launched over 6 months ago? Yet, there are still no other vendor types on there except photographers. Why would a bride go there? 

Don't get me wrong, the old school directories like theKnot and WeDJ aren't any better functionally. But they have traction and search engine placement simply because they've been around longer. 

If I was going to join a group like the ones you mentioned, I'd expect them to be very transparent about their traffic and what steps they're taking to bring brides in. If they don't have a budget for advertising and SEO, I'd rather spend my money buying adwords and performing SEO on my own site. 

I understand your concern about where your brand is displayed (and I heartily agree). But I hope you're not going to keep paying to put your brand somewhere if it's not resulting in bookings.

There is a better way to do this, IMO. Things still aren't as easy for brides as they could be. They "pay to display" business model isn't ideal for photographers–especially in a slow economy. I have a rough idea of a better way to do this (not that I'm going to try necessarily). 

That's all I got for now ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since you asked, I&#8217;ll tell you what I think :)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think either of the sites you mentioned offer anything new except some halfway decent styling. They both take old technology (web directory), an old business model (pay to be listed), and slap some nice CSS on it. </p>
<p>Photographik to me is little more than WPJA for non-PJ photographers. You must apply (for a fee), be accepted by an approval body, then pay for a listing. I honestly want to know–what is new or novel there? </p>
<p>Wedding Party–wasn&#8217;t this directory hyped at WPPI &#8216;07 and launched over 6 months ago? Yet, there are still no other vendor types on there except photographers. Why would a bride go there? </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, the old school directories like theKnot and WeDJ aren&#8217;t any better functionally. But they have traction and search engine placement simply because they&#8217;ve been around longer. </p>
<p>If I was going to join a group like the ones you mentioned, I&#8217;d expect them to be very transparent about their traffic and what steps they&#8217;re taking to bring brides in. If they don&#8217;t have a budget for advertising and SEO, I&#8217;d rather spend my money buying adwords and performing SEO on my own site. </p>
<p>I understand your concern about where your brand is displayed (and I heartily agree). But I hope you&#8217;re not going to keep paying to put your brand somewhere if it&#8217;s not resulting in bookings.</p>
<p>There is a better way to do this, IMO. Things still aren&#8217;t as easy for brides as they could be. They &#8220;pay to display&#8221; business model isn&#8217;t ideal for photographers–especially in a slow economy. I have a rough idea of a better way to do this (not that I&#8217;m going to try necessarily). </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I got for now &#8230;</p>
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